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Shortly after Donald Trump called into CNBC Monday morning, a host on the financial network’s flagship show posed a straightforward question: How did the former president’s vision for the country compare to the one President Joe Biden laid out in last week’s State of the Union address?

In a winding 280-word response, Trump had plenty to say about Biden’s speech – calling it “a terrible performance” from a “very angry man who’s losing badly in the polls” – and about his personal legal troubles. Left unmentioned, though, were his own plans for a second term.

The freewheeling continued from there. Asked about cryptocurrency policy, he bragged about the sales of his new sneaker line. He affirmed that TikTok is a national security threat but hedged that “there’s a lot of good” on the Chinese social media website his party is trying to ban, while declaring its American competitor Facebook “an enemy of the people.” In dismissing concerns about political polarization, Trump praised Hungarian Viktor Orbán, who has squashed political opposition and clamped down on democratic institutions in his country.

By the end of the interview – his first since becoming the presumptive Republican presidential nominee – Trump had also managed to hand a political gift to his opponent by suggesting Medicare and Social Security could be cut, sending his campaign into damage control.

In many ways, Monday’s 40-minute call-in to CNBC was typical Trump: evasive, evocative and eventful. In keeping with other recent interviews where he has dodged questions about his cutoff for abortion access and avoided taking a position on Israel’s war in Gaza, CNBC hosts repeatedly strained to pin Trump down to positions.

But as he emerges victorious from a GOP primary nominating fight where he exerted…

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